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Why is there always an accident at Clacket Lane on M25?
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b***@boltar.world
2010-05-04 09:12:26 UTC
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On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services.
Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this
service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times
than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that
would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some
motorists. Does anyone have any ideas?

B2003
JNugent
2010-05-04 09:22:12 UTC
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Post by b***@boltar.world
On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services.
Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this
service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times
than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that
would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some
motorists. Does anyone have any ideas?
I've asked the same question in the past, having noticed the same thing. I
remember one spectacuklar even in late 2004 when the M25 was closed both ways
between Sevenoaks and Godstone (A21 - A22) because two (UK-registered) HGVs -
going in the same direction - had collided with each other one night and gone
off the side of the carriageway, needing to be recovered painstakingly over
three days.

Needless to say, the whole region was in chaos. Even the northern side of M25
was affected with diversions round the other way.

The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV drivers
(trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms of speed and
capacity).

Some say it is because the area is the first really busy stretch of motorway
that foreign truck drivers encounter when coming along M20/M26. But not all
the worst incidents have happened when the road was busy (as noted above,
truck accidents often happen at dead of night). And not all the accidents
have involved foreign drivers.

The answer - there IS one - is to restrict HGVs to the nearside lane only,
24/7/365.
Ian Jackson
2010-05-04 09:54:20 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by b***@boltar.world
On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane
services. Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits
roads to this
service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times
than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that
would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some
motorists. Does anyone have any ideas?
I've asked the same question in the past, having noticed the same
thing. I remember one spectacuklar even in late 2004 when the M25 was
closed both ways between Sevenoaks and Godstone (A21 - A22) because two
(UK-registered) HGVs - going in the same direction - had collided with
each other one night and gone off the side of the carriageway, needing
to be recovered painstakingly over three days.
Needless to say, the whole region was in chaos. Even the northern side
of M25 was affected with diversions round the other way.
The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV
drivers (trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms
of speed and capacity).
Some say it is because the area is the first really busy stretch of
motorway that foreign truck drivers encounter when coming along
M20/M26. But not all the worst incidents have happened when the road
was busy (as noted above, truck accidents often happen at dead of
night). And not all the accidents have involved foreign drivers.
The answer - there IS one - is to restrict HGVs to the nearside lane
only, 24/7/365.
It does seem that certain stretches of road attract a high proportion of
accidents or breakdowns.

In the last few months, that old favourite, the Dartford tunnel, seems
to be having a lot of breakdowns and lorries getting jammed. [A few
months ago, wasn't there fire which meant that it had to be closed for
nearly a week?]

On the M25, another favourite spot is the roadworks between J16 and 18,
past Rickmansworth.

On the M1, nearly every day there is one kind of incident or other in
the roadworks at the bottom end.

In roadworks, I've never really understood why there should be a greater
risk of accidents. In 50 years of driving, I've never seen one happen
there. [In fact, I've hardly ever seen a 'live' accident - except those
involving myself!]

And why do lorries choose to wait for roadworks before they break down?
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b***@boltar.world
2010-05-04 10:08:27 UTC
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On Tue, 4 May 2010 10:54:20 +0100
Post by Ian Jackson
In roadworks, I've never really understood why there should be a greater
risk of accidents. In 50 years of driving, I've never seen one happen
Narrower lanes and lanes suddenly veering to the left or right and catching
out people who haven't been paying attention - on the M40 yesterday I saw
a BMW X5 gently veering in and out of the middle lane. When I passed it
it looked like the daft bitch was texting. If we'd been in roadworks she'd
have almost certainly crashed and probably taken a few other cars with her.

B2003
ChelseaTractorMan
2010-05-04 10:27:59 UTC
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On Tue, 4 May 2010 10:54:20 +0100, Ian Jackson
Post by Ian Jackson
And why do lorries choose to wait for roadworks before they break down?
you only hear about those!
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Mizter T
2010-05-04 10:40:01 UTC
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On May 4, 10:54 am, Ian Jackson
[snip]
In the last few months, that old favourite, the Dartford tunnel, seems
to be having a lot of breakdowns and lorries getting jammed. [A few
months ago, wasn't there fire which meant that it had to be closed for
nearly a week?]
You're getting muddled with the Blackwall tunnel - the northbound bore
was closed for repairs after a fire last November for a few days,
though I can't remember how long it lasted in the end though.

See:
<http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23777182-.do>
and
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8385000/8385980.stm
MrBitsy
2010-05-04 23:52:54 UTC
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In 50 years of driving, I've never seen one happen there. [In fact,
I've hardly ever seen a 'live' accident
Interesting. Drivers rarely see a live accident, yet they happen daily
on the same stretches of road causing havoc for all. You would think
drivers would use a little logic here, rather than the standard
'continue as I always do as it's the other idiots'.
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Mike Bristow
2010-05-05 09:25:51 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
In roadworks, I've never really understood why there should be a greater
risk of accidents. In 50 years of driving, I've never seen one happen
there. [In fact, I've hardly ever seen a 'live' accident - except those
involving myself!]
I have: on the M11 a lorry lost a tyre about a mile ahead of me.
Quite entertaining.
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b***@boltar.world
2010-05-04 10:04:44 UTC
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On Tue, 04 May 2010 10:22:12 +0100
Post by JNugent
Some say it is because the area is the first really busy stretch of motorway
that foreign truck drivers encounter when coming along M20/M26. But not all
You may have a point there as the accidents seem to usually be on the
clockwise side. Perhaps its anyone who's come off a ferry or the chunnel and
is almost falling asleep at the wheel and they hit this busy spot and crash.

B2003
phil
2010-05-04 22:28:39 UTC
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Post by JNugent
The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV
drivers (trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms of
speed and capacity).
HGV's are limited to 56 mph mate

phil
JNugent
2010-05-04 23:39:54 UTC
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Post by phil
Post by JNugent
The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV
drivers (trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms of
speed and capacity).
HGV's are limited to 56 mph mate
and?

How else do to two lorries crash into each other on a deserted motorway at 3 am?
Basil Jet
2010-05-04 23:56:32 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by phil
Post by JNugent
The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV
drivers (trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms
of speed and capacity).
HGV's are limited to 56 mph mate
and?
How else do to two lorries crash into each other on a deserted motorway at 3 am?
They're watching Battlestar Galactica videos?
Brimstone
2010-05-05 06:47:48 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by phil
Post by JNugent
The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV
drivers (trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms of
speed and capacity).
HGV's are limited to 56 mph mate
and?
How else do to two lorries crash into each other on a deserted motorway at 3 am?
With great skill and dedication. Not everyone can manage it.
phil
2010-05-05 22:27:13 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by phil
Post by JNugent
The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV
drivers (trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms of
speed and capacity).
HGV's are limited to 56 mph mate
and?
How else do to two lorries crash into each other on a deserted motorway at 3 am?
Er, Driver fatigue? Mechanical failure? Tyre blowout?

phil
JNugent
2010-05-05 23:28:10 UTC
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Post by phil
Post by JNugent
Post by phil
Post by JNugent
The cause is, at a minimum, reckless and inconsiderate driving by HGV
drivers (trying to get more out of the road than it can give in terms of
speed and capacity).
HGV's are limited to 56 mph mate
and?
How else do to two lorries crash into each other on a deserted motorway at 3 am?
Er, Driver fatigue? Mechanical failure? Tyre blowout?
phil
It's too frequent at that spot to be a coincidence. Honestly.

Brimstone
2010-05-04 09:46:22 UTC
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Post by b***@boltar.world
On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services.
Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this
service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times
than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that
would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some
motorists. Does anyone have any ideas?
Saaarf Lunnon morons innit?

They ain't got used to traffic moving at more than 15 mph through their
congested streets an' that.
Mizter T
2010-05-04 10:27:46 UTC
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Post by Brimstone
Post by b***@boltar.world
On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services.
Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this
service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times
than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that
would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some
motorists. Does anyone have any ideas?
Saaarf Lunnon morons innit?
They ain't got used to traffic moving at more than 15 mph through their
congested streets an' that.
As a Saarf Lunnon moron all I will say is that I have remarkably
little experience of the M25 - it's normally something I pass over or
under.
Brimstone
2010-05-04 10:43:42 UTC
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Post by Mizter T
Post by Brimstone
Post by b***@boltar.world
On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services.
Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this
service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25
more
times
than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that
would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some
motorists. Does anyone have any ideas?
Saaarf Lunnon morons innit?
They ain't got used to traffic moving at more than 15 mph through their
congested streets an' that.
As a Saarf Lunnon moron all I will say is that I have remarkably
little experience of the M25 - it's normally something I pass over or
under.
A good thing to do to it.
Basil Jet
2010-05-04 11:56:43 UTC
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Post by b***@boltar.world
On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services.
Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this
service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times
than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that
would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some
motorists. Does anyone have any ideas?
My first thought is that "Clackett Lane Services" is media slang for
"the stretch between J5 and J6", and that these are the two junctions
which are furthest apart, so if the number of accidents per mile is
constant, you would expect to hear "Clackett Lane Services" a lot.
Batman55
2010-05-04 13:43:19 UTC
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Post by b***@boltar.world
On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services.
Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this
service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times
than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that
would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some
motorists. Does anyone have any ideas?
B2003
Is it just because you know the name well, that whenever anything happens,
it stands out? "Accident near/between Junction X/Y" isn't so memorable. Are
there any stats available to us South London morons which would support your
supposition. I believe that area is subject to more fog than some so that
may be a factor (although presumably not in this case). The other
alternative is that people are so keen to get away from Clackets Lane, they
don't look where they are going!

MaxB
loopy livernose
2010-05-04 13:59:38 UTC
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Post by b***@boltar.world
On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services.
Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this
service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times
than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that
would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some
motorists. Does anyone have any ideas?
B2003
I have seen several caused by/around the services themselves (well the
location and id10t drivers.). there are the ones on the slip road out
(which is (generally) pretty short).. and so many drivers expect a gap to
be created for them.. on the entry way caused by, of course, the last
minute 3rd lane ***@s who drive across the lanes barely making the slip
road..

but its also a very crowded but very fast (until an accident is there) part
of the M25..

it is also one of the most poorly maintained bits of motorway (IMHO) with
potholes and truck ruts and in rain I've never known a bit of MWay so bad
for spray.. (seems to be worse than most but no idea why).

but generally its because of drivers being ***@s..
MrBitsy
2010-05-04 23:48:29 UTC
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Post by b***@boltar.world
On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane services.
Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits roads to this
service station have been designed? I've driven that part of the M25 more times
than is probably good for me but I haven't noticed anything unusual that
would give rise to so many accidents but clearly something is confusing some
motorists. Does anyone have any ideas?
This will be a question for ChelseaTractorMan to answer.
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MrBitsy
Tom Anderson
2010-05-04 23:52:34 UTC
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Post by b***@boltar.world
On the radio yet again this morning - an accident at Clacket Lane
services. Is there something particularly bad about the way the exits
roads to this service station have been designed?
Probably run by London Underground, right?

tom
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