3D numberplates

Post by M***@bcy363pj80qzrkeo8.co.uk
No idea if anyone still reads this group or the trolls have scared everyone
off, but in case someone does , has anyone noticed the sudden prevelance of
3D style number plates where the letters are raised up plastic moulds?
Looks bloody ugly to me.

I can remember a time when all number plates were made like that.

For example:
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M***@ox9oeo.org

2021-06-28 11:35:11 UTC

On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 11:34:13 +0100

I can remember a time when all number plates were made like that.
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42beqQZyOmdhCRrmPaJCnqmRKZKEpDOaSpR55F1TiwPjs&usqp=CAU>

Fair enough. They look just as amateurish however.

Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells

2021-07-03 23:42:33 UTC

I can remember a time when all number plates were made like that.
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Those didn't reflect light like the modern ones do, did they?

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JNugent

2021-07-04 00:22:13 UTC

Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells

I can remember a time when all number plates were made like that.
<https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuIP_KU3QggtJ_NicovI_AJ442beqQZyOmdhCRrmPaJCnqmRKZKEpDOaSpR55F1TiwPjs&usqp=CAU>

Those didn't reflect light like the modern ones do, did they?

They did reflect light (otherwise you wouldn't have been... er... able
to see them).

Whether that was "like the modern ones", I can't say.

It is possible that the modern ones are made with better-suited materials.

But to be accurate, the PP had only commented on their lack of beauty.

Ian Jackson

2021-07-04 08:01:48 UTC

Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells

I can remember a time when all number plates were made like that.
<https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuIP_KU3QggtJ_N
icovI_AJ442beqQZyOmdhCRrmPaJCnqmRKZKEpDOaSpR55F1TiwPjs&usqp=CAU>

Those didn't reflect light like the modern ones do, did they?

They did reflect light (otherwise you wouldn't have been... er... able
to see them).
Whether that was "like the modern ones", I can't say.
It is possible that the modern ones are made with better-suited materials.
But to be accurate, the PP had only commented on their lack of beauty.

Actually, the old-style plates only partially reflected the light. The
backing plate was black - so little light was reflected from it. The
letters, being white, reflected most of the light - but, of course, had
a relatively small total surface area.

However, it was decided that it was desirable to make vehicles more
visible at night by making the backing plate highly reflective by
covering it with tiny (glass?) beads, and to distinguish the front from
the rear by making the colours different. The obvious choice for the
front was white, but (rather strangely) the rear was made yellow, and
not red. [The RoI changed to red, but, apparently, our tests had shown
that yellow was more visible than red.]

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Ian

M***@jjw.gov.uk

2021-07-05 08:24:23 UTC

On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 09:01:48 +0100

Post by Ian Jackson
the rear by making the colours different. The obvious choice for the
front was white, but (rather strangely) the rear was made yellow, and
not red. [The RoI changed to red, but, apparently, our tests had shown
that yellow was more visible than red.]

I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white
at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered with
that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he gave the
obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way around a car
is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking the number or plate
colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.

Ian Jackson

2021-07-05 09:18:37 UTC

In message <sbufjn$nls$***@gioia.aioe.org>, ***@jjw.gov.uk
writes

Post by M***@jjw.gov.uk
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 09:01:48 +0100

So why have we always had red lights at the rear?

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M***@km0gurf3edrjmfzdbo.org

2021-07-05 10:44:38 UTC

On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:18:37 +0100

Post by Ian Jackson
writes

Post by M***@jjw.gov.uk
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 09:01:48 +0100

So why have we always had red lights at the rear?

Nice try at being clever, bad luck it didn't work out. Braking is a fast
virtually subconcious action and you need to be able to tell the difference
between a car braking in front or a car coming towards you in the other
direction instantly. Reading a numberplate however is a slow concious action
so by the time you've done it you've had plenty of time to tell which way
around the car is and which way its going.

Ian Jackson

2021-07-05 16:34:45 UTC

Post by M***@km0gurf3edrjmfzdbo.org
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:18:37 +0100

Post by Ian Jackson
writes

Post by M***@jjw.gov.uk
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 09:01:48 +0100

So why have we always had red lights at the rear?

Who mentioned braking?

Post by M***@km0gurf3edrjmfzdbo.org
Reading a numberplate however is a slow concious action
so by the time you've done it you've had plenty of time to tell which way
around the car is and which way its going.

Who mentioned reading?

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M***@shlmhz3f.eu

2021-07-06 08:16:31 UTC

On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 17:34:45 +0100

Post by M***@km0gurf3edrjmfzdbo.org
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:18:37 +0100

Post by Ian Jackson
writes

Post by M***@jjw.gov.uk
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 09:01:48 +0100

So why have we always had red lights at the rear?

Who mentioned braking?

If the lights are on due to them acting as lights you don't need any
further indication of which way around the car is so why have coloured
plates?

Who mentioned reading?

What else are numberplates for, decoration?

JNugent

2021-07-05 13:43:05 UTC

I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white
at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered
with that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he
gave the obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way>
around a car is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking
the number or plate colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.

So why have we always had red lights at the rear?

+1.

M***@3v5elh_f5fwkxm.edu

2021-07-05 16:05:27 UTC

On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 14:43:05 +0100

I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white
at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered
with that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he
gave the obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way>
around a car is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking
the number or plate colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.

So why have we always had red lights at the rear?

+1.

Seriously?

JNugent

2021-07-05 16:17:07 UTC

Post by M***@3v5elh_f5fwkxm.edu
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 14:43:05 +0100

I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white
at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered
with that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he
gave the obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way>
around a car is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking
the number or plate colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.

So why have we always had red lights at the rear?

+1.

Seriously?

Yes. I support the point that IJ was making by asking his question.

it isn't controversial. Every country I've ever been to has a rule that
front lights are white (or yellow!) and rear lights are red and it is
fairly obvious that the distinction would be carried through into the
specified colours of numberplates.

Ian Jackson

2021-07-05 18:24:45 UTC

Post by M***@3v5elh_f5fwkxm.edu
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 14:43:05 +0100

I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white
at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered
with that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he
gave the obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way>
around a car is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking
the number or plate colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.

So why have we always had red lights at the rear?

+1.

Seriously?

Yes. I support the point that IJ was making by asking his question.
it isn't controversial. Every country I've ever been to has a rule that
front lights are white (or yellow!) and rear lights are red and it is
fairly obvious that the distinction would be carried through into the
specified colours of numberplates.

Having been introduced, the UK plates have stayed white and yellow
However, the RoI white and red plates (introduced in 1969) didn't last
for very long (1987?). [Actually, as far as readability is concerned, in
my opinion the RoI black letters on a red plate were not as readable as
the UK black on yellow - but at least you initially instinctively
associated it with the rear of the vehicle.]

--
Ian

M***@sptp.info

2021-07-06 08:15:35 UTC

On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 17:17:07 +0100

Post by M***@3v5elh_f5fwkxm.edu
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 14:43:05 +0100

Post by M***@jjw.gov.uk
I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white
at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered
with that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he
gave the obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way>
around a car is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking
the number or plate colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.

So why have we always had red lights at the rear?

+1.

Seriously?

Yes. I support the point that IJ was making by asking his question.
it isn't controversial. Every country I've ever been to has a rule that
front lights are white (or yellow!) and rear lights are red and it is
fairly obvious that the distinction would be carried through into the
specified colours of numberplates.

Perhaps you missed my reply to him, but its quite useful to know if a car
is braking ahead instantly without having to watch it first. It is not
useful to know which way a car is facing when looking at the numberplate
since at night it would be given away by the lights anyway and in daytime
unless you're blind you can see from the car body itself. Therefore having
different colour plates is non sensical.

JNugent

2021-07-06 09:33:17 UTC

Post by M***@sptp.info

Post by M***@3v5elh_f5fwkxm.edu

So why have we always had red lights at the rear?

+1.

Seriously?

Yes. I support the point that IJ was making by asking his question.
it isn't controversial. Every country I've ever been to has a rule that
front lights are white (or yellow!) and rear lights are red and it is
fairly obvious that the distinction would be carried through into the
specified colours of numberplates.

Someone else has already pointed out that reading black characters* on a
yellow background is easier than reading them on a red background, and
I'm inclined to agree with that.

[* I hope I'm allowed to say "black characters".]

Ian Jackson

2021-07-06 10:35:58 UTC

Post by M***@sptp.info

Post by M***@3v5elh_f5fwkxm.edu

So why have we always had red lights at the rear?

+1.

Seriously?

Yes. I support the point that IJ was making by asking his question.
it isn't controversial. Every country I've ever been to has a rule that
front lights are white (or yellow!) and rear lights are red and it is
fairly obvious that the distinction would be carried through into the
specified colours of numberplates.

Someone else has already pointed out that reading black characters* on
a yellow background is easier than reading them on a red background,
and I'm inclined to agree with that.
[* I hope I'm allowed to say "black characters".]

[On this rare occasion that you agree with me, I'll grant you my
special, personal permission.]

Anyway, having different colour plates is not 'non-sensical'. Instead,
try arguing that it's 'of little advantage'. After all many (if not
most) countries don't have different coloured plates.

--
Ian

M***@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz

2021-07-06 14:37:21 UTC

On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 10:33:17 +0100

Post by M***@sptp.info
Perhaps you missed my reply to him, but its quite useful to know if a car
is braking ahead instantly without having to watch it first. It is not
useful to know which way a car is facing when looking at the numberplate
since at night it would be given away by the lights anyway and in daytime
unless you're blind you can see from the car body itself. Therefore having
different colour plates is non sensical.

Someone else has already pointed out that reading black characters* on a
yellow background is easier than reading them on a red background, and
I'm inclined to agree with that.

Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing else
will save money.

JNugent

2021-07-06 15:04:12 UTC

Post by M***@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz

Someone else has already pointed out that reading black characters* on a
yellow background is easier than reading them on a red background, and
I'm inclined to agree with that.

Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing else
will save money.

In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.

M***@7hadkmg6_2t7rlet.com

2021-07-06 15:30:44 UTC

On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 16:04:12 +0100

Post by M***@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz

Someone else has already pointed out that reading black characters* on a
yellow background is easier than reading them on a red background, and
I'm inclined to agree with that.

Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing else
will save money.

In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.

And that matters because?

"Mr Poirot, I saw the car parked north-south, not south-north that night"
"Aha, in that case I have solved zee case!"

Ian Jackson

2021-07-06 19:13:05 UTC

Post by M***@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz

Someone else has already pointed out that reading black characters* on a
yellow background is easier than reading them on a red background, and
I'm inclined to agree with that.

Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing else
will save money.

In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.

In the dark, the direction of a parked, unlit vehicle should be
reasonably obvious by the presence of its passive red rear reflectors.
However, the use of different colour reflective plates will certainly
provide additional useful information.

--
Ian

M***@3dr_5we13k36c_.edu

2021-07-07 07:39:29 UTC

On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 20:13:05 +0100

Post by M***@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz
Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing

else

Post by M***@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz
will save money.

In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.

Who the hell cares which way around a car is parked in the dark?

JNugent

2021-07-07 11:08:58 UTC

Post by M***@3dr_5we13k36c_.edu
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 20:13:05 +0100

Post by M***@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz
Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing

else

Post by M***@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz
will save money.

In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.

Who the hell cares which way around a car is parked in the dark?

The law of the land does, for a start. The idea is that you pass red
lights or reflectors to the right, white to their left.

M***@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk

2021-07-07 11:19:11 UTC

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:08:58 +0100

Post by M***@3dr_5we13k36c_.edu
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 20:13:05 +0100

Post by M***@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz
Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing

else

Post by M***@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz
will save money.

In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.

Who the hell cares which way around a car is parked in the dark?

The law of the land does, for a start. The idea is that you pass red
lights or reflectors to the right, white to their left.

Huh? The law of what land? Not the UK I can assure you where you can park in
any direction you like. Some anally retentive countries like canada might
care but ironically they have the same colour plates on the front and rear.

Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white
on the right.

JNugent

2021-07-07 11:44:09 UTC

Post by M***@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:08:58 +0100

Post by M***@3dr_5we13k36c_.edu
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 20:13:05 +0100

Post by M***@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz
Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing

else

Post by M***@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz
will save money.

In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.

Who the hell cares which way around a car is parked in the dark?

The law of the land does, for a start. The idea is that you pass red
lights or reflectors to the right, white to their left.

Huh? The law of what land? Not the UK I can assure you where you can park in
any direction you like. Some anally retentive countries like canada might
care but ironically they have the same colour plates on the front and rear.
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white
on the right.

I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.

You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road
during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.

M***@ejavm966b5308rqn34zz.net

2021-07-07 13:45:23 UTC

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:44:09 +0100

Post by M***@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white
on the right.

I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road
during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.

Utter rubbish. Who told you that?

JNugent

2021-07-07 14:26:24 UTC

Post by M***@ejavm966b5308rqn34zz.net
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:44:09 +0100

Post by M***@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white
on the right.

I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road
during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.

Utter rubbish. Who told you that?

The police officer who put the FPN on my car parked outside my mother's
terraced house.

M***@6_kumjiw3lpb.gov

2021-07-07 15:47:31 UTC

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 15:26:24 +0100

Post by M***@ejavm966b5308rqn34zz.net
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:44:09 +0100

Post by M***@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white
on the right.

I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road
during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.

Utter rubbish. Who told you that?

The police officer who put the FPN on my car parked outside my mother's
terraced house.

Plods haven't dished out parking tickets for decades. Have another go.

JNugent

2021-07-07 15:57:57 UTC

Post by M***@6_kumjiw3lpb.gov
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 15:26:24 +0100

Post by M***@ejavm966b5308rqn34zz.net
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:44:09 +0100

Post by M***@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white
on the right.

I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road
during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.

Utter rubbish. Who told you that?

The police officer who put the FPN on my car parked outside my mother's
terraced house.

Plods haven't dished out parking tickets for decades. Have another go.

It was decades ago.

The law is still in place and the same.

M***@ovb6wf8h1a93zy9d.com

2021-07-08 07:39:40 UTC

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 16:57:57 +0100

Post by M***@6_kumjiw3lpb.gov
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 15:26:24 +0100

Post by M***@ejavm966b5308rqn34zz.net
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:44:09 +0100

Post by M***@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white
on the right.

I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road
during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.

Utter rubbish. Who told you that?

The police officer who put the FPN on my car parked outside my mother's
terraced house.

Plods haven't dished out parking tickets for decades. Have another go.

It was decades ago.
The law is still in place and the same.

So was being able to shoot a welshman with an arrow within the walls of
Chester until a few years back. However an unenforced law is an irrelevant
law and anyone who got a ticket now for parking in the wrong direction
would almost certainly win any appeal as signs or painted lines are now
required by law to inform drivers of parking restrictions.

JNugent

2021-07-08 10:03:24 UTC

Post by M***@ovb6wf8h1a93zy9d.com
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 16:57:57 +0100

Post by M***@6_kumjiw3lpb.gov
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 15:26:24 +0100

Post by M***@ejavm966b5308rqn34zz.net
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:44:09 +0100

Post by M***@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white
on the right.

I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road
during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.

Utter rubbish. Who told you that?

The police officer who put the FPN on my car parked outside my mother's
terraced house.

Plods haven't dished out parking tickets for decades. Have another go.

It was decades ago.
The law is still in place and the same.

The law is still in place.

Not "until a few years back".

*Now*.

The Road Vehicle (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986:

<https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/101/made>

QUOTE:
101.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2) no person shall, except with
the except with the permission of a police officer in a uniform, cause
or permit any motor vehicle to stand on a road at any time between half
an hour after sunset and half an hour before sunrise unless the *near*
*side* of the vehicle is as close as may be to the edge of the carriageway.
ENDQUOTE

Paragraph (2) contains exceptions for police cars, ambulances, roadworks
vehicles, etc, as well as for one-way streets and marked out parking places.

M***@qv6_8no5syxtxdo776.biz

2021-07-08 11:40:04 UTC

On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 11:03:24 +0100

Post by M***@ovb6wf8h1a93zy9d.com
So was being able to shoot a welshman with an arrow within the walls of
Chester until a few years back. However an unenforced law is an irrelevant
law and anyone who got a ticket now for parking in the wrong direction
would almost certainly win any appeal as signs or painted lines are now
required by law to inform drivers of parking restrictions.

The law is still in place.

Plenty of unenforced laws are still in place.

Post by JNugent
Not "until a few years back".
*Now*.

Since when is 1986 now?

Post by JNugent
101.â(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2) no person shall, except with
the except with the permission of a police officer in a uniform, cause
or permit any motor vehicle to stand on a road at any time between half
an hour after sunset and half an hour before sunrise unless the *near*
*side* of the vehicle is as close as may be to the edge of the carriageway.
ENDQUOTE

There is no way in hell that could or would ever be enforced now. As I said,
parking restrictions by law need a sign or a road marking to be enforcable.

JNugent

2021-07-08 14:35:39 UTC

Post by M***@qv6_8no5syxtxdo776.biz

Post by M***@qv6_8no5syxtxdo776.biz

The law is still in place.

Plenty of unenforced laws are still in place.

Post by JNugent
Not "until a few years back".
*Now*.

Since when is 1986 now?

The 1986 Act is in force now. It also specifies the condition in which a
vehicle must be maintained (lights, tyres, brakes, visibility, security
of seats, etc.).

Acts don't have to be replaced every few years. They don't "run out".
There is still legislation from 1847 on the statute book (and yes, part
of it relates to obstructive vehicles) and probably from earlier than that.

Post by JNugent
101.â€”(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2) no person shall, except with
the except with the permission of a police officer in a uniform, cause
or permit any motor vehicle to stand on a road at any time between half
an hour after sunset and half an hour before sunrise unless the *near*
*side* of the vehicle is as close as may be to the edge of the carriageway.
ENDQUOTE

There is no way in hell that could or would ever be enforced now. As I said,
parking restrictions by law need a sign or a road marking to be enforcable.

The one about parking with the nearside to the kerb does not need signs
or markings. Everyone knows which is the nearside of a vehicle and
everyone knows where the kerb "edge of carriageway") is.

What is your problem with this?

M***@yu3s26wv93kgq2j7wa2ia8.org

2021-07-08 14:43:31 UTC

On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:35:39 +0100

Post by M***@qv6_8no5syxtxdo776.biz
Since when is 1986 now?

The 1986 Act is in force now. It also specifies the condition in which a
vehicle must be maintained (lights, tyres, brakes, visibility, security
of seats, etc.).

See my example about shooting welshmen in Chester.

Post by M***@qv6_8no5syxtxdo776.biz
There is no way in hell that could or would ever be enforced now. As I said,
parking restrictions by law need a sign or a road marking to be enforcable.

Its not taught in driving lessons either in the car or in the theory test.
It cannot be enforced because it would not be upheld in court. If it could
councils would be making hay with it as we speak.

JNugent

2021-07-08 14:47:56 UTC

Post by M***@yu3s26wv93kgq2j7wa2ia8.org

Post by M***@yu3s26wv93kgq2j7wa2ia8.org

Post by M***@qv6_8no5syxtxdo776.biz
Since when is 1986 now?

The 1986 Act is in force now. It also specifies the condition in which a
vehicle must be maintained (lights, tyres, brakes, visibility, security
of seats, etc.).

See my example about shooting welshmen in Chester.

What about it?

Post by M***@qv6_8no5syxtxdo776.biz
There is no way in hell that could or would ever be enforced now. As I said,
parking restrictions by law need a sign or a road marking to be enforcable.

Its not taught in driving lessons either in the car or in the theory test.

So what? A lot of things aren't.

On that basis, anyone who passed their test before late 1967 could argue
that the Breathalyser can't apply to them because they weren't asked
about on their driving test (there was no separate theory test then).

Post by M***@yu3s26wv93kgq2j7wa2ia8.org
It cannot be enforced because it would not be upheld in court. If it could
councils would be making hay with it as we speak.

What makes you say that the law of the land would not be upheld in court
when a prosecution is brought?

M***@7te34tivyt92gy.com

2021-07-09 08:43:43 UTC

On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:47:56 +0100

Post by M***@yu3s26wv93kgq2j7wa2ia8.org
See my example about shooting welshmen in Chester.

What about it?

Have a think.

Post by M***@yu3s26wv93kgq2j7wa2ia8.org
Its not taught in driving lessons either in the car or in the theory test.

So what? A lot of things aren't.

If it was enforced it would be rather fundamental, you know, like yellow lines
etc. In lessons during parking exercises it would certainly come up don't
you think?

Post by JNugent
On that basis, anyone who passed their test before late 1967 could argue
that the Breathalyser can't apply to them because they weren't asked
about on their driving test (there was no separate theory test then).

You mean they won't have seen all the xmas ads and all the stories in
newspapers and on TV about drunk driving?

Post by M***@yu3s26wv93kgq2j7wa2ia8.org
It cannot be enforced because it would not be upheld in court. If it could
councils would be making hay with it as we speak.

What makes you say that the law of the land would not be upheld in court
when a prosecution is brought?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Freeman

Roman the Foreskin PEELER

2021-07-13 21:34:05 UTC

On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 08:43:43 +0000 (UTC),

Post by M***@7te34tivyt92gy.com
On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:47:56 +0100

Post by M***@yu3s26wv93kgq2j7wa2ia8.org
See my example about shooting welshmen in Chester.

What about it?

Have a think.

Post by M***@yu3s26wv93kgq2j7wa2ia8.org
Its not taught in driving lessons either in the car or in the theory test.

So what? A lot of things aren't.

If it was enforced it would be rather fundamental, you know, like yellow lines
etc. In lessons during parking exercises it would certainly come up don't
you think?

You mean they won't have seen all the xmas ads and all the stories in
newspapers and on TV about drunk driving?

Post by M***@yu3s26wv93kgq2j7wa2ia8.org
It cannot be enforced because it would not be upheld in court. If it could
councils would be making hay with it as we speak.

What makes you say that the law of the land would not be upheld in court
when a prosecution is brought?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Freeman

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2021-07-13 22:17:30 UTC

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:34:05 -0700, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Roman the Foreskin PEELER",

Post by Roman the Foreskin PEELER
Classic example of a sleazy jew shyshter.

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Ian Jackson

2021-07-08 14:55:10 UTC

Post by M***@qv6_8no5syxtxdo776.biz
On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 11:03:24 +0100

Post by M***@qv6_8no5syxtxdo776.biz

The law is still in place.

Plenty of unenforced laws are still in place.

Post by JNugent
Not "until a few years back".
*Now*.

Since when is 1986 now?

Once a law is enacted, it stays in force until it is either rescinded or
amended. It doesn't cease to apply the following year. [But, of course,
you know that.]

There is no way in hell that could or would ever be enforced now. As I said,
parking restrictions by law need a sign or a road marking to be enforcable.

Don't be silly. There are countless thousands of situations where laws
apply, but don't require signage to make you aware of them. And
ignorance of then law is no defence.

I'm sure a person of your calibre knows, for example, that "unless an
order has been made and the road is signed to the contrary, a 30 mph
speed limit applies where there are three or more lamps throwing light
on the carriageway and placed not more than 183 metres apart". [Google
'30 limit street lights distance'.] Or, if you want a totally ridiculous
example, when did you ever see any signs saying "Murder is illegal"?
[It's back under the bridge time,]

--
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M***@7iqgw.ac.uk

2021-07-09 08:45:34 UTC

On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:55:10 +0100

Post by M***@qv6_8no5syxtxdo776.biz
On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 11:03:24 +0100
There is no way in hell that could or would ever be enforced now. As I said,
parking restrictions by law need a sign or a road marking to be enforcable.

Don't be silly. There are countless thousands of situations where laws
apply, but don't require signage to make you aware of them. And
ignorance of then law is no defence.

Don't be obstuse, there are laws and then there are laws that no one gives
a shit about and arn't enforced by either the police or councils. This will
be one of them.

Post by Ian Jackson
I'm sure a person of your calibre knows, for example, that "unless an
order has been made and the road is signed to the contrary, a 30 mph
speed limit applies where there are three or more lamps throwing light
on the carriageway and placed not more than 183 metres apart". [Google

That comes up in the theory and practical tests.

Post by Ian Jackson
'30 limit street lights distance'.] Or, if you want a totally ridiculous
example, when did you ever see any signs saying "Murder is illegal"?
[It's back under the bridge time,]

Are you seriously comparing murder to an obscure parking bylaw? Don't be
a fucking ass.

Nick Finnigan

2021-07-08 21:30:42 UTC

Post by M***@qv6_8no5syxtxdo776.biz
There is no way in hell that could or would ever be enforced now. As I said,
parking restrictions by law need a sign or a road marking to be enforcable.

Which law is that ?

Nick Finnigan

2021-07-08 21:30:00 UTC

Post by M***@ovb6wf8h1a93zy9d.com
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 16:57:57 +0100

Post by JNugent
The law is still in place and the same.

So was being able to shoot a welshman with an arrow within the walls of
Chester until a few years back.

Which law was that?

M***@yp_plp.gov.uk

2021-07-09 08:46:31 UTC

On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 22:30:00 +0100

Post by Nick Finnigan

Post by M***@ovb6wf8h1a93zy9d.com
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 16:57:57 +0100

Post by JNugent
The law is still in place and the same.

So was being able to shoot a welshman with an arrow within the walls of
Chester until a few years back.

Which law was that?

www.google.com

Nick Finnigan

2021-07-11 16:15:42 UTC

Post by M***@yp_plp.gov.uk
On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 22:30:00 +0100

Post by Nick Finnigan

Post by M***@ovb6wf8h1a93zy9d.com
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 16:57:57 +0100

Post by JNugent
The law is still in place and the same.

So was being able to shoot a welshman with an arrow within the walls of
Chester until a few years back.

Which law was that?

www.google.com

Doesn't help. Which law was that?

Nick Finnigan

2021-07-08 21:25:22 UTC

Post by M***@6_kumjiw3lpb.gov
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 15:26:24 +0100

Post by M***@ejavm966b5308rqn34zz.net
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:44:09 +0100

Post by M***@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white
on the right.

I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road
during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.

Utter rubbish. Who told you that?

The police officer who put the FPN on my car parked outside my mother's
terraced house.

Plods haven't dished out parking tickets for decades. Have another go.

It was decades ago.
The law is still in place and the same.

Regulation 101 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations
1986 may well not have been amended, but in controlled parking zones you
can not get a FPN for contravening it.

Ian Jackson

2021-07-07 13:49:56 UTC

Post by M***@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:08:58 +0100

Post by M***@3dr_5we13k36c_.edu
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 20:13:05 +0100

Post by M***@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz
Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing

else

Post by M***@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz
will save money.

In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.

Who the hell cares which way around a car is parked in the dark?

The law of the land does, for a start. The idea is that you pass red
lights or reflectors to the right, white to their left.

Huh? The law of what land? Not the UK I can assure you where you can park in
any direction you like. Some anally retentive countries like canada might
care but ironically they have the same colour plates on the front and rear.
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white
on the right.

I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the
road during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.

Indeed. After dark you must not park on the 'wrong' side of the road
except in a designated parking space. In some countries, you must ALWAYS
park on the correct side.

Highway Code, rule 248 states: ‘you MUST NOT park on a road at night
facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised
parking space’.

--
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M***@fnx3.tv

2021-07-07 13:55:56 UTC

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 14:49:56 +0100

Post by JNugent
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the
road during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.

Indeed. After dark you must not park on the 'wrong' side of the road
except in a designated parking space. In some countries, you must ALWAYS
park on the correct side.

We're not talking about other countries , we're talking about the UK and
no, you won't get a ticket for it.

Post by Ian Jackson
Highway Code, rule 248 states: âyou MUST NOT park on a road at night
facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised
parking spaceâ.

If that ancient rule were enforced half the cars parked on suburban streets in
the UK would get a ticket.

JNugent

2021-07-07 14:30:12 UTC

Post by M***@fnx3.tv
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 14:49:56 +0100

Post by JNugent
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the
road during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.

Indeed. After dark you must not park on the 'wrong' side of the road
except in a designated parking space. In some countries, you must ALWAYS
park on the correct side.

We're not talking about other countries , we're talking about the UK and
no, you won't get a ticket for it.

Post by Ian Jackson
Highway Code, rule 248 states: â€˜you MUST NOT park on a road at night
facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised
parking spaceâ€™.

If that ancient rule were enforced half the cars parked on suburban streets in
the UK would get a ticket.

In London (where I was living), the rule is rarely enforced, so much so
that no-one I knew had ever heard of it.

In Liverpool, it was and may still be enforced sporadically. I suspect
that I was the "victim" of a probationer PC and his or her puppy-walking
sergeant. This was in a cul-de-sac terraced street with (of course) no
through traffic. FPNs then still cost £2.

JNugent

2021-07-07 14:26:55 UTC

Post by M***@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:08:58 +0100

Post by M***@3dr_5we13k36c_.edu
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 20:13:05 +0100

Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier.
So why
don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing

else

will save money.

In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.

Who the hell cares which way around a car is parked in the dark?

The law of the land does, for a start. The idea is that you pass red
lights or reflectors to the right, white to their left.

Huh? The law of what land? Not the UK I can assure you where you can
park in
any direction you like. Some anally retentive countries like canada might
care but ironically they have the same colour plates on the front and rear.
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left,
white
on the right.

I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the
road during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.

Indeed. After dark you must not park on the 'wrong' side of the road
except in a designated parking space. In some countries, you must ALWAYS
park on the correct side.
Highway Code, rule 248 states: ‘you MUST NOT park on a road at night
facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised
parking space’.

Thank you.

Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells

2021-07-04 18:41:29 UTC

Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells

I can remember a time when all number plates were made like that.
<https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuIP_KU3QggtJ_NicovI_AJ442beqQZyOmdhCRrmPaJCnqmRKZKEpDOaSpR55F1TiwPjs&usqp=CAU>

Those didn't reflect light like the modern ones do, did they?

They did reflect light (otherwise you wouldn't have been... er... able
to see them).

Technically speaking, yes.

Post by JNugent
Whether that was "like the modern ones", I can't say.

It wasn't.

Post by JNugent
It is possible that the modern ones are made with better-suited materials.

They are.

Post by JNugent
But to be accurate, the PP had only commented on their lack of beauty.

All in the eye(s) of the beholder.
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The Peeler

2021-07-04 20:02:41 UTC

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bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells",

Post by Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
Technically speaking, yes.

Technically speaking you ARE a filthy pedo swine, subnormal nazi and
psychopathic asshole! Agreed, cretin? <BG>

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2021-07-04 20:00:54 UTC