Speed Camera officer caught speeding by the public.

[d***@aol.com]

A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has accused
the member of the public who caught him of lying. Unfortunatley for
the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on video film. He should
have engaged brain before opening mouth. Unlike his own laser cameras,
the non-stop video journey of his driving is very hard to disprove.

In an operation by members of the public, the "safety camera" cheat,
was observed and recorded over a 4 mile journey repeatedly breaking the
law. He drove at 50mph in a 40 limit, 40mph in a 30 limit and 20 mph
in a 10 limit minutes after just catching numerous drivers himself for
speeding, as lay in the back of his small camera van at 8pm in
Sevenoaks, Kent.

The secret group of angry motorists are turning the tables on the
camera men by filming them. This is the latest incident where the Kent
Camera Partrnership vans have been caught either speeding or performing
other dangerous acts. The group of private law enforcers are believed
to be led by radio presenter Adrian John, a keen road safety supporter
who as an advanced driver has campaigned on many road safety issues.
He say's "if the camera brigade genuinely believe that speed is so
critically important, then the very least they should do, is observe
those laws they have chosen to enforce so vigorously."

However, while the Kent & Medway driver will probably get away with his
crimes, the following lady is paying heavily for her dishonesty:

Nurse jailed for driving fine lie:

A Devon nurse who lied about not being the driver of a speeding car has
been sent to jail for six months.

Joy Rees, 39, from Plymouth, was caught travelling at 51mph in a 40mph
zone while driving a friend's car.
She responded to a fixed penalty notice saying an American resident had
been at the wheel. Photographic evidence later identified Ms Rees as
the driver.

She was given a six-month driving ban and sentenced to six months in
jail at Plymouth Crown Court on Thursday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/4762537.stm

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by d***@aol.com
Joy Rees, 39, from Plymouth, was caught travelling at 51mph in a 40mph
zone while driving a friend's car.
She responded to a fixed penalty notice saying an American resident had
been at the wheel. Photographic evidence later identified Ms Rees as
the driver.
She was given a six-month driving ban and sentenced to six months in
jail at Plymouth Crown Court on Thursday.

She was jailed because of the perjury issue, not the speeding offence,
you thick cunt.

[d***@aol.com]

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by d***@aol.com
Joy Rees, 39, from Plymouth, was caught travelling at 51mph in a 40mph
zone while driving a friend's car.
She responded to a fixed penalty notice saying an American resident had
been at the wheel. Photographic evidence later identified Ms Rees as
the driver.
She was given a six-month driving ban and sentenced to six months in
jail at Plymouth Crown Court on Thursday.

She was jailed because of the perjury issue, not the speeding offence,

you thick cunt.

Post by The Older Gentleman
Trophy

Hey Trophy Face your dribbling again. The girl in the story was a
twit. But the Speed van driver is the utter low-life. (Don't take that
persoanlly) :-) PS Can you drive?

Turk182

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*snort

[YTC#1]

Post by d***@aol.com
Can you drive?
*snort

White powder ?

[Dan L]

Post by d***@aol.com

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by d***@aol.com
Joy Rees, 39, from Plymouth, was caught travelling at 51mph in a
40mph zone while driving a friend's car.
She responded to a fixed penalty notice saying an American resident
had been at the wheel. Photographic evidence later identified Ms
Rees as the driver.
She was given a six-month driving ban and sentenced to six months in
jail at Plymouth Crown Court on Thursday.

She was jailed because of the perjury issue, not the speeding
offence, you thick cunt.
Trophy

Hey Trophy Face your dribbling again. The girl in the story was a
twit. But the Speed van driver is the utter low-life. (Don't take
that persoanlly) :-) PS Can you drive?
Turk182

His drive is shite, but he's a mean putter.

[Whinging Courier]

Post by Dan L

Post by d***@aol.com

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by d***@aol.com
Joy Rees, 39, from Plymouth, was caught travelling at 51mph in a
40mph zone while driving a friend's car.
She responded to a fixed penalty notice saying an American resident
had been at the wheel. Photographic evidence later identified Ms
Rees as the driver.
She was given a six-month driving ban and sentenced to six months in
jail at Plymouth Crown Court on Thursday.

She was jailed because of the perjury issue, not the speeding
offence, you thick cunt.
Trophy

Hey Trophy Face your dribbling again. The girl in the story was a
twit. But the Speed van driver is the utter low-life. (Don't take
that persoanlly) :-) PS Can you drive?
Turk182

His drive is shite, but he's a mean putter.

Should be driving a Golf then...

[Conor]

In article <***@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
says...

Post by d***@aol.com
Hey Trophy Face your dribbling again. The girl in the story was a
twit. But the Speed van driver is the utter low-life.

Why? Because he did what millions of others do?

Post by d***@aol.com
PS Can you drive?

Yes thanks. Well in excess of 1.5 million miles both points and
accident free. You?

[Beav]

Post by Conor
says...

Post by d***@aol.com
Hey Trophy Face your dribbling again. The girl in the story was a
twit. But the Speed van driver is the utter low-life.

Why? Because he did what millions of others do?

Post by d***@aol.com
PS Can you drive?

Yes thanks. Well in excess of 1.5 million miles both points and
accident free. You?

Did that last week.

[Malcolm]

Post by Beav

Post by Conor
says...

Post by d***@aol.com
Hey Trophy Face your dribbling again. The girl in the story was a
twit. But the Speed van driver is the utter low-life.

Why? Because he did what millions of others do?

Post by d***@aol.com
PS Can you drive?

Yes thanks. Well in excess of 1.5 million miles both points and
accident free. You?

Did that last week.
--
Neil Armstrong

I thought your trip round the moon was longer ago than that.....

[Beav]

Post by Beav

Post by Conor
says...

Post by d***@aol.com
Hey Trophy Face your dribbling again. The girl in the story was a
twit. But the Speed van driver is the utter low-life.

Why? Because he did what millions of others do?

Post by d***@aol.com
PS Can you drive?

Yes thanks. Well in excess of 1.5 million miles both points and
accident free. You?

Did that last week.

I do a trip every now and again, just to keep my hand in. I use GPS now too,
as it's makes plotting the route easier than it used to be and it helps me
avoid all the traffic and obstacles.

[Chris Cowley]

On Sat, 13 May 2006 19:39:02 GMT, "Beav"

Post by Beav
I do a trip every now and again, just to keep my hand in. I use GPS now too,
as it's makes plotting the route easier than it used to be and it helps me
avoid all the traffic and obstacles.

Even if you had a GPS receiver with modified software to provide a
reference in relation to a geoid around the moon, it would be woefully
inaccurate due to the fact that all of the satellites are clustered
together in the same general direction about 239,000 miles away.

It also wouldn't work at all on the far side of the moon, due to the
moon being between you and the satellites (and neither would your
mobile, so phoning up a mate to ask for directions would be right out
too.)

I'd stick with the optical navigation if I was you, Neil. Even if that
didn't go totally according to plan in 1969.

[Stuart Gray]

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by d***@aol.com
Joy Rees, 39, from Plymouth, was caught travelling at 51mph in a 40mph
zone while driving a friend's car.
She responded to a fixed penalty notice saying an American resident had
been at the wheel. Photographic evidence later identified Ms Rees as
the driver.
She was given a six-month driving ban and sentenced to six months in
jail at Plymouth Crown Court on Thursday.

She was jailed because of the perjury issue, not the speeding offence,
you thick cunt.

True, but it's the first part of this posting that is more fun. I'm off
to dust off my video camera and lie in wait for my local speed awareness
van to fuck it up. I do have 4 days off a week [1] and far too much
spare time.

[1] I work an 8 day week.

[frank]

Post by Stuart Gray

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by d***@aol.com
Joy Rees, 39, from Plymouth, was caught travelling at 51mph in a

40mph

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by d***@aol.com
zone while driving a friend's car.
She responded to a fixed penalty notice saying an American resident

had

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by d***@aol.com
been at the wheel. Photographic evidence later identified Ms Rees as
the driver.
She was given a six-month driving ban and sentenced to six months in
jail at Plymouth Crown Court on Thursday.

She was jailed because of the perjury issue, not the speeding offence,
you thick cunt.

True, but it's the first part of this posting that is more fun. I'm off
to dust off my video camera and lie in wait for my local speed awareness
van to fuck it up. I do have 4 days off a week [1] and far too much
spare time.
[1] I work an 8 day week.
--
Stuart

Just film your local police instead. I have! 45mph in 30 limits, 80mph in
50limit, undertaking and not displaying blue lights when speeding or jumping
traffic lights. Probably because they are class 3 drivers. The police
constantly seem to do it.

[Westy]

Post by frank

Post by Stuart Gray

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by d***@aol.com
Joy Rees, 39, from Plymouth, was caught travelling at 51mph in a

40mph

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by d***@aol.com
zone while driving a friend's car.
She responded to a fixed penalty notice saying an American resident

had

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by d***@aol.com
been at the wheel. Photographic evidence later identified Ms Rees as
the driver.
She was given a six-month driving ban and sentenced to six months in
jail at Plymouth Crown Court on Thursday.

She was jailed because of the perjury issue, not the speeding offence,
you thick cunt.

True, but it's the first part of this posting that is more fun. I'm off
to dust off my video camera and lie in wait for my local speed awareness
van to fuck it up. I do have 4 days off a week [1] and far too much
spare time.
[1] I work an 8 day week.
--
Stuart

Just film your local police instead. I have! 45mph in 30 limits, 80mph in
50limit, undertaking and not displaying blue lights when speeding or jumping
traffic lights. Probably because they are class 3 drivers. The police
constantly seem to do it.

Yes they are as hypocritical as is can get.

[Alan]

Post by Stuart Gray
True, but it's the first part of this posting that is more fun. I'm off
to dust off my video camera and lie in wait for my local speed awareness
van to fuck it up.

Just video most Police cars and you will see dangerous driving on a
regular basis.

[platypus]

Post by Alan

Post by Stuart Gray
True, but it's the first part of this posting that is more fun. I'm
off to dust off my video camera and lie in wait for my local speed
awareness van to fuck it up.

Just video most Police cars and you will see dangerous driving on a
regular basis.

Police cars? Oh please. Try driving around after me sometime, sunshine.

[d***@aol.com]

Post by platypus

Post by Alan

Post by Stuart Gray
True, but it's the first part of this posting that is more fun. I'm
off to dust off my video camera and lie in wait for my local speed
awareness van to fuck it up.

Just video most Police cars and you will see dangerous driving on a
regular basis.

Police cars? Oh please. Try driving around after me sometime, sunshine.

platypus

Law enforver are increibly vulnerable, because their arrogance prevents
them from thinking anyone could possible do it. Camera technology is
increidble now, and even with the slighest bit of imagination a camera
can be very difficult to see in a car.

No. I'm sorry to say, the time is long overdue. The cameras need now
to be turned on the individuals who operate with such massive double
standards.

Turk182




we can do all the bad things

[Simon Gates]

Post by platypus
platypus
Law enforver are increibly vulnerable, because their arrogance
prevents them from thinking anyone could possible do it. Camera
technology is increidble now, and even with the slighest bit of
imagination a camera can be very difficult to see in a car.
No. I'm sorry to say, the time is long overdue. The cameras need
now to be turned on the individuals who operate with such massive
double standards.

Where I'm from, we hang people like you.


By their heels.


With meat hooks.

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Simon Gates

Post by platypus
platypus
Law enforver are increibly vulnerable, because their arrogance
prevents them from thinking anyone could possible do it. Camera
technology is increidble now, and even with the slighest bit of
imagination a camera can be very difficult to see in a car.
No. I'm sorry to say, the time is long overdue. The cameras need
now to be turned on the individuals who operate with such massive
double standards.

Where I'm from, we hang people like you.
By their heels.
With meat hooks.

So you are a policeman?

Alan

Post by Simon Gates
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Post by Simon Gates

Post by platypus
platypus
Law enforver are increibly vulnerable, because their arrogance
prevents them from thinking anyone could possible do it. Camera
technology is increidble now, and even with the slighest bit of
imagination a camera can be very difficult to see in a car.
No. I'm sorry to say, the time is long overdue. The cameras need
now to be turned on the individuals who operate with such massive
double standards.

Where I'm from, we hang people like you.

We're far more forgiving in these parts. We just give them a job ... village
idiot.

[Tony Morgan]

Post by platypus

Post by platypus

Post by Alan

Post by Stuart Gray
True, but it's the first part of this posting that is more fun. I'm
off to dust off my video camera and lie in wait for my local speed
awareness van to fuck it up.

Just video most Police cars and you will see dangerous driving on a
regular basis.

Police cars? Oh please. Try driving around after me sometime, sunshine.

platypus
Law enforver are increibly vulnerable, because their arrogance prevents
them from thinking anyone could possible do it. Camera technology is
increidble now, and even with the slighest bit of imagination a camera
can be very difficult to see in a car.
No. I'm sorry to say, the time is long overdue. The cameras need now
to be turned on the individuals who operate with such massive double
standards.

What's an enforver?

[Whinging Courier]

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Stuart Gray belched forth and ejected the

Post by Stuart Gray
[1] I work an 8 day week.

How d'you work that out then?

There's only 7 here on Earth.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

Post by d***@aol.com
In an operation by members of the public, the "safety camera" cheat,
was observed and recorded over a 4 mile journey repeatedly breaking the
law. He drove at 50mph in a 40 limit, 40mph in a 30 limit and 20 mph
in a 10 limit minutes after just catching numerous drivers himself for
speeding, as lay in the back of his small camera van at 8pm in
Sevenoaks, Kent.

So what? All that proves is that he's a hypocritical cunt, same as
yourself, I've no doubt. It's hardly dangerous driving or 'putting the
public at risk', you sad twat.

[d***@aol.com]

Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
So what? All that proves is that he's a hypocritical cunt, same as
yourself, I've no doubt. It's hardly dangerous driving or 'putting the
public at risk', you sad twat.
--
Dave

No Dave ...... it's the CAMERA people who say that speeding puts the
public at risk. Entirely there own judgement.

Good to hear from you again. Are you back on solids?

Turk182

[YTC#1]

Post by d***@aol.com

Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
So what? All that proves is that he's a hypocritical cunt, same as
yourself, I've no doubt. It's hardly dangerous driving or 'putting the
public at risk', you sad twat.
--
Dave

No Dave ...... it's the CAMERA people who say that speeding puts the

Most CAMERA people I know are too pissed to drive.

Post by d***@aol.com
public at risk. Entirely there own judgement.

Where ?

I can't see the judgement.

[Tim S Kemp]

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com

Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
So what? All that proves is that he's a hypocritical cunt, same as
yourself, I've no doubt. It's hardly dangerous driving or 'putting
the public at risk', you sad twat.
--
Dave

No Dave ...... it's the CAMERA people who say that speeding puts the

Most CAMERA people I know are too pissed to drive.

ITYM CAMRA people.

[Alan]

Post by Tim S Kemp

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com

Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
So what? All that proves is that he's a hypocritical cunt, same as
yourself, I've no doubt. It's hardly dangerous driving or 'putting
the public at risk', you sad twat.
--
Dave

No Dave ...... it's the CAMERA people who say that speeding puts the

Most CAMERA people I know are too pissed to drive.

ITYM CAMRA people.

It's not that they are drunk, it's because they can't drive properly
wearing sandals.

[PC Paul]

Post by Alan

Post by Tim S Kemp

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com
No Dave ...... it's the CAMERA people who say that speeding puts the

Most CAMERA people I know are too pissed to drive.

ITYM CAMRA people.

It's not that they are drunk, it's because they can't drive properly
wearing sandals.

It's the extra thickness of the fluffy socks that does it...

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

Post by PC Paul

Post by Alan

Post by Tim S Kemp

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com
No Dave ...... it's the CAMERA people who say that speeding puts the

Most CAMERA people I know are too pissed to drive.

ITYM CAMRA people.

It's not that they are drunk, it's because they can't drive properly
wearing sandals.

It's the extra thickness of the fluffy socks that does it...

I only drunk drove the once; kept spilling my pint.

[YTC#1]

Post by Tim S Kemp

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com

Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
So what? All that proves is that he's a hypocritical cunt, same as
yourself, I've no doubt. It's hardly dangerous driving or 'putting
the public at risk', you sad twat.
--
Dave

No Dave ...... it's the CAMERA people who say that speeding puts the

Most CAMERA people I know are too pissed to drive.

ITYM CAMRA people.

Yer, but he satared it with shouty letters when they wern't needed :-)

[Beav]

Post by YTC#1

Post by Tim S Kemp

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com

Post by Grimly Curmudgeon
So what? All that proves is that he's a hypocritical cunt, same as
yourself, I've no doubt. It's hardly dangerous driving or 'putting
the public at risk', you sad twat.
--
Dave

No Dave ...... it's the CAMERA people who say that speeding puts the

Most CAMERA people I know are too pissed to drive.

ITYM CAMRA people.

Yer, but he satared it with shouty letters when they wern't needed :-)

Spicy eh?

[Tim S Kemp]

Post by YTC#1

Post by Tim S Kemp

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com
No Dave ...... it's the CAMERA people who say that speeding puts the

Most CAMERA people I know are too pissed to drive.

ITYM CAMRA people.

Yer, but he satared it with shouty letters when they wern't needed :-)

shouty letters? Reminds me of this:

http://www.b3ta.com/board/5913230

[PC Paul]

Post by Tim S Kemp

Post by YTC#1

Post by Tim S Kemp

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com
No Dave ...... it's the CAMERA people who say that speeding puts the

Most CAMERA people I know are too pissed to drive.

ITYM CAMRA people.

Yer, but he satared it with shouty letters when they wern't needed :-)

http://www.b3ta.com/board/5913230

Cruel, but funny.

Classic B3ta!

[YTC#1]

Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has accused
the member of the public who caught him of lying. Unfortunatley for
the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on video film. He should

While he may have been a hypocrite, he is not guilty of the misery, that
is the speeders issue. Why are people unable to accept responsability for
their own failings ?

If you don;t want to be caught speeding, don't do it !

[ib]

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has accused
the member of the public who caught him of lying. Unfortunatley for
the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on video film. He should

While he may have been a hypocrite, he is not guilty of the misery, that
is the speeders issue. Why are people unable to accept responsability for
their own failings ?
If you don;t want to be caught speeding, don't do it !

I agree, don't get caught, and give the bastards as much grief as you can if
they do catch you

[Whinging Courier]

Post by ib

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has accused
the member of the public who caught him of lying. Unfortunatley for
the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on video film. He should

While he may have been a hypocrite, he is not guilty of the misery, that
is the speeders issue. Why are people unable to accept responsability for
their own failings ?
If you don;t want to be caught speeding, don't do it !

I agree, don't get caught, and give the bastards as much grief as you can if
they do catch you

Halleluyah!

I once fought a parking ticket for two years. I knew there wasn't a hope
in hell I'd get away with it but while there was a slight glimmer they'd
get bored and go away, I just couldn't let it go.

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Whinging Courier

Post by ib

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has accused
the member of the public who caught him of lying. Unfortunatley for
the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on video film. He should

While he may have been a hypocrite, he is not guilty of the misery, that
is the speeders issue. Why are people unable to accept responsability for
their own failings ?
If you don;t want to be caught speeding, don't do it !

I agree, don't get caught, and give the bastards as much grief as you can if
they do catch you

Halleluyah!
I once fought a parking ticket for two years. I knew there wasn't a hope
in hell I'd get away with it but while there was a slight glimmer they'd
get bored and go away, I just couldn't let it go.

Good for you, it's time these buggers were made to account for their
actions.

Alan

Post by Whinging Courier
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Post by Whinging Courier

Post by ib

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has accused
the member of the public who caught him of lying. Unfortunatley for
the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on video film. He should

While he may have been a hypocrite, he is not guilty of the misery, that
is the speeders issue. Why are people unable to accept responsability for
their own failings ?
If you don;t want to be caught speeding, don't do it !

I agree, don't get caught, and give the bastards as much grief as you can if
they do catch you

Halleluyah!
I once fought a parking ticket for two years. I knew there wasn't a hope
in hell I'd get away with it but while there was a slight glimmer they'd
get bored and go away, I just couldn't let it go.

A traffic plod tapped on the window of the sarnie shop and asked me "Is this
your car"? I said it was and he said "Better shift it quick then, there's a
traffic plod knocking about handing out tickets".

I thought it was piss funny when he continued with "I'll keep him occupied
while you wait for your dinner". No ticket and no arguments. Mind ewe, it
WAS sunny and that's enough to fuck anyone's head up in Manc:)
--
Beav

VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19

Post by Whinging Courier
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[Alan Holmes]

Post by ib

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has accused
the member of the public who caught him of lying. Unfortunatley for
the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on video film. He should

While he may have been a hypocrite, he is not guilty of the misery, that
is the speeders issue. Why are people unable to accept responsability for
their own failings ?
If you don;t want to be caught speeding, don't do it !

I agree, don't get caught, and give the bastards as much grief as you can
if they do catch you

And the simplest way is to always ask to see the 'evidence' before making
any any decision, unkess you are deliberately driving over the limit.

Then, if they do send you that, make sure you have it all, I asked on one
occassion and was sent just one photo of a stationary car, even though they
were well aware that the device took two pictures so you could check it.

Next ask when and how the device was calibrated.

If everyone asked these questions, the extra work would make sure they only
persued those who were well over the limit and could be proved without
doubt, it might also persuade them to make sure the equipment was accurate,
and not callibrated by guesswork and more than once a year.

Alan

[Alan Holmes]

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has accused
the member of the public who caught him of lying. Unfortunatley for
the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on video film. He should

While he may have been a hypocrite, he is not guilty of the misery, that
is the speeders issue. Why are people unable to accept responsability for
their own failings ?
If you don;t want to be caught speeding, don't do it !

I don't speed, but I do sometimes exceed the speed limit by accident!

The word 'speeding' implies to me dangerous driving!

Alan

Post by YTC#1
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Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has accused
the member of the public who caught him of lying. Unfortunatley for
the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on video film. He should

While he may have been a hypocrite, he is not guilty of the misery, that
is the speeders issue. Why are people unable to accept responsability for
their own failings ?
If you don;t want to be caught speeding, don't do it !

I don't speed, but I do sometimes exceed the speed limit by accident!
The word 'speeding' implies to me dangerous driving!

Then you were speeding.

If you speed, tell the world you speed. Don't try and dress it up with
"I sometimes exceed the speed limit" and "I wasn't speeding because my
driving wasn't dangerous".

I don't class my driving as dangerous, but I confess to speeding on a
very regular basis. Until there's a better metric for unsafe driving, I
suppose I will always be classed as someone who speeds.

As has been mentioned on here umpteen times, to the point of it being
boring, there are umpteen roads with 30/40 limits etc where it's
perfectly safe to go higher than this at particular times of day.

Speed.. And be proud!

[Tony Morgan]

Post by Simon Dobson
As has been mentioned on here umpteen times, to the point of it being
boring, there are umpteen roads with 30/40 limits etc where it's
perfectly safe to go higher than this at particular times of day.
Speed.. And be proud!

Another numpty who believes that speeding on a regular and consistent
basis makes him a good driver? Either that or it's a substitute for
testosterone.

Anyone notice the justification that these numpties trot out? That
because *they* think that they can (and do) exceed the legal speed limit
on a regular basis, justify it by claiming that most enforced speed
limits are too slow. "Too slow for who" they're asked. "Too slow for
good drivers like me" they respond.

[Conor]

Post by Tony Morgan

Post by Simon Dobson
As has been mentioned on here umpteen times, to the point of it being
boring, there are umpteen roads with 30/40 limits etc where it's
perfectly safe to go higher than this at particular times of day.
Speed.. And be proud!

Another numpty who believes that speeding on a regular and consistent
basis makes him a good driver? Either that or it's a substitute for
testosterone.

I speed alot. I can guarantee you my accident and conviction record is
far better than yours even if you only ever have one accident or get 3
points in your entire life.

Post by Tony Morgan
Anyone notice the justification that these numpties trot out? That
because *they* think that they can (and do) exceed the legal speed limit
on a regular basis, justify it by claiming that most enforced speed
limits are too slow. "Too slow for who" they're asked. "Too slow for
good drivers like me" they respond.

Explain to me why driving at 60 on a road which was previously a NSL
but has been redesignated as a 40 limit is dangerous? Especially when
it is a fairlry straight wide main A road and there's only open fields
to either side with no side roads?

[Chris Cowley]

Post by Conor

Post by Tony Morgan

Post by Simon Dobson
As has been mentioned on here umpteen times, to the point of it being
boring, there are umpteen roads with 30/40 limits etc where it's
perfectly safe to go higher than this at particular times of day.
Speed.. And be proud!

Another numpty who believes that speeding on a regular and consistent
basis makes him a good driver? Either that or it's a substitute for
testosterone.

I speed alot. I can guarantee you my accident and conviction record is
far better than yours even if you only ever have one accident or get 3
points in your entire life.

Personally, I don't care whether speeding makes me a good driver/rider
or not. It's a fucking right laugh and, as we're all going to be dead
and long forgotten in 70+ years time, having a right laugh is, I think
quite important. You can all stuff you accident statistics and road
safety bollocks right up your ridiculously tight arseholes for all I
care.

[Lozzo]

Chris Cowley said...

Post by Chris Cowley
Personally, I don't care whether speeding makes me a good driver/rider
or not. It's a fucking right laugh and, as we're all going to be dead
and long forgotten in 70+ years time, having a right laugh is, I think
quite important. You can all stuff you accident statistics and road
safety bollocks right up your ridiculously tight arseholes for all I
care.

Well fucking said.

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Chris Cowley

Post by Conor

Post by Tony Morgan

Post by Simon Dobson
As has been mentioned on here umpteen times, to the point of it being
boring, there are umpteen roads with 30/40 limits etc where it's
perfectly safe to go higher than this at particular times of day.
Speed.. And be proud!

Another numpty who believes that speeding on a regular and consistent
basis makes him a good driver? Either that or it's a substitute for
testosterone.

I speed alot. I can guarantee you my accident and conviction record is
far better than yours even if you only ever have one accident or get 3
points in your entire life.

Personally, I don't care whether speeding makes me a good driver/rider
or not. It's a fucking right laugh and, as we're all going to be dead
and long forgotten in 70+ years time, having a right laugh is, I think
quite important. You can all stuff you accident statistics and road
safety bollocks right up your ridiculously tight arseholes for all I
care.

At last, a sensible post.

[Simon Dobson]

Post by Chris Cowley
Personally, I don't care whether speeding makes me a good driver/rider
or not. It's a fucking right laugh and, as we're all going to be dead
and long forgotten in 70+ years time, having a right laugh is, I think
quite important. You can all stuff you accident statistics and road
safety bollocks right up your ridiculously tight arseholes for all I
care.

Well, quite. If some of the posters on here could get past the sweaty
palms from when they hit 75mph, they might realise that 100mph and
beyond can be a lot of fun.

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Tony Morgan
That
because *they* think that they can (and do) exceed the legal speed limit
on a regular basis, justify it by claiming that most enforced speed
limits are too slow. "Too slow for who" they're asked. "Too slow for
good drivers like me" they respond.

Yes, absolutely.

[Cab]

Post by Alan Holmes
The word 'speeding' implies to me dangerous driving!

That really is a load of bollox. There's no implication at all.

[ib]

Post by Cab

Post by Alan Holmes
The word 'speeding' implies to me dangerous driving!

That really is a load of bollox. There's no implication at all.
--

....but there certainly should be. Driving above the speed limit, the safety
partnerships tell us, is unsafe, therefore dangerous. In many circumstances,
particularly the ones they seem to target, this really is the real "bollox"

There are many places where driving above the limit is dangerous. But these
are not the favourite targets of the partnerships, as presumably the
proceeds would be rather low, as many drivers drive at a sensible speed,
which may mean driving above or below the speed limit, depending on the real
circumstances.

Driving at a reasonable speed, even if slightly above the limit, should not
be targeted, if the road type and conditions at the time mean it is
actually not unsafe to drive at that speed, particularly if there are other
places where driving above the limit is significantly more dangerous.

If the technology was aimed at the lunatics (which would be so easy), it
would get total support from the vast majority of motorists, no matter how
underhand it was, and would actually result in a real improvement in road
safety.

Prosecuting sensible driving at 35 in a 30 limit on a non-residential,
non-pedestrian, wide, straight dual carriageway is just a total own-goal for
the partnerships who have totally destroyed their own credibility.

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Cab

Post by Alan Holmes
The word 'speeding' implies to me dangerous driving!

That really is a load of bollox. There's no implication at all.

So, is travelling at 31 mph in a 30 mph area, speeding?

And, is travelling at 60 mph in a 30 mph area speeding or dangerous driving?

Alan

Post by Cab
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[Sean]

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Cab

Post by Alan Holmes
The word 'speeding' implies to me dangerous driving!

That really is a load of bollox. There's no implication at all.

So, is travelling at 31 mph in a 30 mph area, speeding?
And, is travelling at 60 mph in a 30 mph area speeding or dangerous driving?

Both are speeding. Either of them could be considered dangerous driving,
depending on the conditions. Likewise, both of them could be considered
safe driving, again depending on the conditions. I know roads where both
scenarios are dangerous, and where both are safe.

Sean

[Tony Morgan]

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by YTC#1

Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has accused
the member of the public who caught him of lying. Unfortunatley for
the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on video film. He should

While he may have been a hypocrite, he is not guilty of the misery, that
is the speeders issue. Why are people unable to accept responsability for
their own failings ?
If you don;t want to be caught speeding, don't do it !

I don't speed, but I do sometimes exceed the speed limit by accident!
The word 'speeding' implies to me dangerous driving!

The sad thing is that many (most) who habitually and consistently exceed
the legal speed limit will claim (and actually believe) that they're
good drivers, and that anyone who habitually drives within the legal
speed limit is a bad driver.

Then there's those people who will insist that they drove from (say)
London to Liverpool in two hours. The sad thing is that they believe
that everyone should believe them - and if anyone should dare to
challenge them it's as though it were their manhood that was being
disparaged.

What sad lives they must lead when they feel that they have to tell such
obvious porkies to boost their self-esteem.

[Pooh Bear]

Post by Tony Morgan
The sad thing is that many (most) who habitually and consistently exceed
the legal speed limit will claim (and actually believe) that they're
good drivers, and that anyone who habitually drives within the legal
speed limit is a bad driver.

I don't know *anyone* who always keeps inside the speed limit, including the
nice lady next door who took early retirement from the Library Service, is no
danger to anyone, yet got done for 'speeding' twice a couple of years back.

It's certainly a great way to alienate the motorist whilst apparently acheiving
nothing about road safety.

Graham

[Tony Morgan]

Post by Pooh Bear

Post by Tony Morgan
The sad thing is that many (most) who habitually and consistently exceed
the legal speed limit will claim (and actually believe) that they're
good drivers, and that anyone who habitually drives within the legal
speed limit is a bad driver.

I don't know *anyone* who always keeps inside the speed limit, including the
nice lady next door who took early retirement from the Library Service, is no
danger to anyone, yet got done for 'speeding' twice a couple of years back.

In your haste to reply you obviously missed the "habitually " and
"consistently".

The really sad thing is that you're using your "nice lady next door" to
reach the conclusion that speeding "is no danger to anyone".

I also find it curious that you choose to use the expression "nice lady
next door who took early retirement from the Library Service" in a
derogatory way.

Folk don't have to be boy-racers with go-fast decals, alloys and
ghetto-blaster audio to be consistent and regular speeders. I'm sure
that there are a proportion of Library Service workers (retired or not)
who consistently speed - and convince themselves that they're good
drivers for doing so.

[Pooh Bear]

Post by Tony Morgan
I also find it curious that you choose to use the expression "nice lady
next door who took early retirement from the Library Service" in a
derogatory way.

Hardly derogatory. Simply sensible and not a hot-head.

Graham

[Eiron]

Post by Pooh Bear

Post by Tony Morgan
I also find it curious that you choose to use the expression "nice lady
next door who took early retirement from the Library Service" in a
derogatory way.

Hardly derogatory. Simply sensible and not a hot-head.

#Well, she's gonna get a ticket now sooner or later
#'Cause she can't keep her foot off the accelerator.

[Conor]

Post by Tony Morgan
Folk don't have to be boy-racers with go-fast decals, alloys and
ghetto-blaster audio to be consistent and regular speeders. I'm sure
that there are a proportion of Library Service workers (retired or not)
who consistently speed - and convince themselves that they're good
drivers for doing so.

Tony, answer me the following if you will:

1) What is your annual mileage you drive?
2) How many accidents have you had?
3) How many points have you had?

[Simon Dobson]

Post by Tony Morgan
The sad thing is that many (most) who habitually and consistently exceed
the legal speed limit will claim (and actually believe) that they're
good drivers, and that anyone who habitually drives within the legal
speed limit is a bad driver.

I know a few people that speed regularly, myself included, but have
never heard any of them claim they're better drivers than anyone else.

All though see a flaw with using speed as the only indicator for
dangerous driving. Not far from here is a school with a GATSO on each
side of the 30mph carriageway. These cameras will issue a ticket to
someone travelling at 35mph at 11pm in dry conditions; but won't bat an
eyelid if someone does 30mph in rain/snow when kids are around.

Brilliant.

[Tony Morgan]

Post by Simon Dobson

Post by Tony Morgan
The sad thing is that many (most) who habitually and consistently exceed
the legal speed limit will claim (and actually believe) that they're
good drivers, and that anyone who habitually drives within the legal
speed limit is a bad driver.

I know a few people that speed regularly, myself included, but have
never heard any of them claim they're better drivers than anyone else.
All though see a flaw with using speed as the only indicator for
dangerous driving. Not far from here is a school with a GATSO on each
side of the 30mph carriageway. These cameras will issue a ticket to
someone travelling at 35mph at 11pm in dry conditions; but won't bat an
eyelid if someone does 30mph in rain/snow when kids are around.

So? Are you suggesting that GATSOs should adjust their trigger to
account for the degree of rain or snow?

You might also revisit the official word about speeding - and note the
"up to the legal speed limit, subject to road and weather conditions".

If everyone drove at a speed appropriate to road and weather conditions,
there would be no need for GATSOs - indeed you could argue that there
would be no need for any legal speed limits.

[SP]

Post by Tony Morgan

Post by Simon Dobson

Post by Tony Morgan
The sad thing is that many (most) who habitually and consistently
exceed the legal speed limit will claim (and actually believe)
that they're good drivers, and that anyone who habitually drives
within the legal speed limit is a bad driver.

I know a few people that speed regularly, myself included, but have
never heard any of them claim they're better drivers than anyone else.
All though see a flaw with using speed as the only indicator for
dangerous driving. Not far from here is a school with a GATSO on
each side of the 30mph carriageway. These cameras will issue a
ticket to someone travelling at 35mph at 11pm in dry conditions;
but won't bat an eyelid if someone does 30mph in rain/snow when
kids are around.

So? Are you suggesting that GATSOs should adjust their trigger to
account for the degree of rain or snow?

No, but a traffic cop with e degree of sense would be a good idea,

Post by Tony Morgan
You might also revisit the official word about speeding - and note
the "up to the legal speed limit, subject to road and weather
conditions".
If everyone drove at a speed appropriate to road and weather
conditions, there would be no need for GATSOs - indeed you could
argue that there would be no need for any legal speed limits.

I'm getting pissed off with the 'I can see it's a 60mph, but I'll stick
to 40 cos it's a bit bendy, then when I get to 30 I'll increase my
speed' brigade.

Better driver (and rider) educaion is needed, not more flipping cameras.

[Simon Dobson]

Post by Tony Morgan

Post by Simon Dobson
I know a few people that speed regularly, myself included, but have
never heard any of them claim they're better drivers than anyone else.
All though see a flaw with using speed as the only indicator for
dangerous driving. Not far from here is a school with a GATSO on each
side of the 30mph carriageway. These cameras will issue a ticket to
someone travelling at 35mph at 11pm in dry conditions; but won't bat an
eyelid if someone does 30mph in rain/snow when kids are around.

So? Are you suggesting that GATSOs should adjust their trigger to
account for the degree of rain or snow?

I'm saying that speed isn't the only thing needs taking into account to
decide if someone is driving safely. Weather conditions are one of the
many other things, so yes.

Which is the unsafe situation from what I described above?

a) 30mph, rain/snow, kids around.
b) 35mph, dry conditions, empty roads and pavements.

You'd be an idiot to say (b), yet the driver in this instance would
receive 3 points and a £60 fine.

Post by Tony Morgan
You might also revisit the official word about speeding - and note the
"up to the legal speed limit, subject to road and weather conditions".

Okay, so imagine both drivers from (a) and (b) are doing 30mph now.
Neither set off the camera. (a)'s behaviour is far worse and *very*
unsafe, yet (a) will NEVER receive points or a ticket.

[Conor]

Post by Tony Morgan
The sad thing is that many (most) who habitually and consistently exceed
the legal speed limit will claim (and actually believe) that they're
good drivers, and that anyone who habitually drives within the legal
speed limit is a bad driver.

A great swathe of East Yorkshires A roads are now 40 and 50 limits
despite being NSL for many decades with extremely low accident rates.

Explain to me why doing 60 is dangerous all of a sudden?

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Tony Morgan
The sad thing is that many (most) who habitually and consistently exceed
the legal speed limit will claim (and actually believe) that they're
good drivers, and that anyone who habitually drives within the legal
speed limit is a bad driver.

Am I the only one who has seen the fabulous illogic in your argument?

Someone who is used to driving at (say) 50mph and no more in a 50 limit,
by your lights, is a good driver.

Someone who is used to driving at 65mph in a 50 limit, by your lights,
is a bad driver.

The faster driver has exercised and improved his skills over a wider
speed band.

And on the simple speed thing, which you're harping on about, the
reductio ad absurdum is:

Racing drivers are dangerous.

[Timo Geusch]

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by Tony Morgan
The sad thing is that many (most) who habitually and consistently
exceed the legal speed limit will claim (and actually believe) that
they're good drivers, and that anyone who habitually drives within
the legal speed limit is a bad driver.

Am I the only one who has seen the fabulous illogic in your argument?
Someone who is used to driving at (say) 50mph and no more in a 50
limit, by your lights, is a good driver.
Someone who is used to driving at 65mph in a 50 limit, by your lights,
is a bad driver.
The faster driver has exercised and improved his skills over a wider
speed band.

Nononono, the faster driver is clearly unsafe on account of pushing it
too far. The limits were set such that you can safely travel them in a
Moggie Minor so anybody in anything a tad more modern, with better
brakes and handling, clearly has a death wish.

The problem is two-fold IMHO - going fast without the improved skills
is likely to end up in car/hedge interfaces (the Nova crowd, for
example, but they have to learn somehow) and going fast without
recognising your limits is equally bad (I am a lot faster in a car than
on a bike as I've got a lot more experience in cars than on bikes; the
difference is that I recognise this and thus back off a lot earlier on
a bike than in a car).

And of course the Nanny State is hell-bent on ensuring that we can't
pick up the relevant skills in the first place as it tries to ensure
that we're all safe and mollycoddled.

Post by The Older Gentleman
And on the simple speed thing, which you're harping on about, the
Racing drivers are dangerous.

Percentage-wise, I'd be tempted to suggest that more of them get
injured and die than your average bespectacled granny going everywhere
at 20mph.

Right, I feel like going out now and endangering a couple of country
lanes in my vastly overpowered cage that isn't equipped with any safety
features like ABS and ESP...

[Cab]

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by Tony Morgan
The sad thing is that many (most) who habitually and consistently
exceed the legal speed limit will claim (and actually believe) that
they're good drivers, and that anyone who habitually drives within
the legal speed limit is a bad driver.

Am I the only one who has seen the fabulous illogic in your argument?
Someone who is used to driving at (say) 50mph and no more in a 50
limit, by your lights, is a good driver.
Someone who is used to driving at 65mph in a 50 limit, by your lights,
is a bad driver.
The faster driver has exercised and improved his skills over a wider
speed band.
And on the simple speed thing, which you're harping on about, the
Racing drivers are dangerous.

No, you're not the only one who sees that as being bollox.

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Alan Holmes
The word 'speeding' implies to me dangerous driving!
Alan

The name 'Alan' implies to me a fuckwit.

[Alan]

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by Alan Holmes
The word 'speeding' implies to me dangerous driving!
Alan

The name 'Alan' implies to me a fuckwit.

Oy! FOYRNB

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Alan

Post by The Older Gentleman

Post by Alan Holmes
The word 'speeding' implies to me dangerous driving!
Alan

The name 'Alan' implies to me a fuckwit.

Oy! FOYRNB

Ballcocks. I knew there'd be a few more out there ;-)

[Ian]

Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has accused
the member of the public who caught him of lying. Unfortunatley for
the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on video film. He should
have engaged brain before opening mouth. Unlike his own laser cameras,
the non-stop video journey of his driving is very hard to disprove.
In an operation by members of the public, the "safety camera" cheat,
was observed and recorded over a 4 mile journey repeatedly breaking the
law. He drove at 50mph in a 40 limit, 40mph in a 30 limit and 20 mph
in a 10 limit minutes after just catching numerous drivers himself for
speeding, as lay in the back of his small camera van at 8pm in
Sevenoaks, Kent.

The only way that film could have been taken was for the person following
the camera van to have been doing exactly the same speeds. I wonder if they
will be prosecuted by their own evidence?

Ian

[Alan]

Post by Ian
The only way that film could have been taken was for the person following
the camera van to have been doing exactly the same speeds. I wonder if they
will be prosecuted by their own evidence?

It's very much like those Police Action programmes. The commentary will
drone on about overtaking on a blind bend etc. while the Police are
filming while performing the same manoeuvre.

The only difference is that the Police are trained and can stop their
cars in quarter of the normal stopping distance when a child runs out
into the road.

[The Older Gentleman]

Post by Alan
the Police are trained and can stop their
cars in quarter of the normal stopping distance when a child runs out
into the road.

Like fuck they can.

[Tim S Kemp]

Post by Alan
The only difference is that the Police are trained and can stop their
cars in quarter of the normal stopping distance when a child runs out
into the road.

You're being sarcastic I hope - My Volvo, or my A class, will stop from 60
somewhat shorter than the usual Transit or Berlingo.

[King Amdo]

Its no good just 'filming' them (speeding scum) you need to get some
sort of proper speed gun measurement.

[Whinging Courier]

Post by Alan
The only difference is that the Police are trained and can stop their
cars in quarter of the normal stopping distance when a child runs out
into the road.

Bollocks.

What a load of fucking shit you talk.

[scott]

Post by Whinging Courier

Post by Alan
The only difference is that the Police are trained and can stop
their cars in quarter of the normal stopping distance when a child
runs out into the road.

Bollocks.
What a load of fucking shit you talk.

YOur sarcasm detector must be seriously screwed, I'd get it fixed if I were
you.

[B***@dsl.pipex.com]

Post by Alan
It's very much like those Police Action programmes. The commentary will
drone on about overtaking on a blind bend etc. while the Police are
filming while performing the same manoeuvre.

Never fails to make me laugh - esp the american ones. On a large
highway..

"The perp reaces over 90 MPH!"

We should show these people the M1 on a Friday afternoon :)

There's a car doing less than 90 - of wait - it's a lorry.

Post by Alan
The only difference is that the Police are trained and can stop their
cars in quarter of the normal stopping distance when a child runs out
into the road.

V. good.

[Adie]

Post by B***@dsl.pipex.com

Post by Alan
It's very much like those Police Action programmes. The commentary will
drone on about overtaking on a blind bend etc. while the Police are
filming while performing the same manoeuvre.

Never fails to make me laugh - esp the american ones. On a large
highway..
"The perp reaces over 90 MPH!"
We should show these people the M1 on a Friday afternoon :)
There's a car doing less than 90 - of wait - it's a lorry.

The M1 on a friday afternoon is like a car park. 90? not in my
lifetime, well not below watford gap anyway.

[Eiron]

Post by Adie
The M1 on a friday afternoon is like a car park. 90? not in my
lifetime, well not below watford gap anyway.

What about that straight bit north of junction 12 where everyone speeds up?
The one with all the skid marks where everyone slows down again.

[Adie]

Post by Eiron

Post by Adie
The M1 on a friday afternoon is like a car park. 90? not in my
lifetime, well not below watford gap anyway.

What about that straight bit north of junction 12 where everyone speeds up?
The one with all the skid marks where everyone slows down again.

Friday afternoon? moving maybe, 90 nope.

[YTC#1]

Post by Adie

Post by B***@dsl.pipex.com

Post by Alan
It's very much like those Police Action programmes. The commentary will
drone on about overtaking on a blind bend etc. while the Police are
filming while performing the same manoeuvre.

Never fails to make me laugh - esp the american ones. On a large
highway..
"The perp reaces over 90 MPH!"
We should show these people the M1 on a Friday afternoon :)
There's a car doing less than 90 - of wait - it's a lorry.

The M1 on a friday afternoon is like a car park. 90? not in my
lifetime, well not below watford gap anyway.

Same all the way to Newcastle

[Jim Ford]

Post by B***@dsl.pipex.com
There's a car doing less than 90 - of wait - it's a lorry.

My next vehicle is going to be a white van. I've got six points on my
licence and you're allowed to do 90-100 in one without getting caught!

Jim Ford

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Alan

Post by Ian
The only way that film could have been taken was for the person following
the camera van to have been doing exactly the same speeds. I wonder if they
will be prosecuted by their own evidence?

It's very much like those Police Action programmes. The commentary will
drone on about overtaking on a blind bend etc. while the Police are
filming while performing the same manoeuvre.
The only difference is that the Police are trained and can stop their cars
in quarter of the normal stopping distance when a child runs out into the
road.

Only if they are concentrating on the road and not continualy looking at
their speedometer!

Another Alan!

Post by Alan
--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

[Alan Holmes]

Post by Ian

Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has accused
the member of the public who caught him of lying. Unfortunatley for
the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on video film. He should
have engaged brain before opening mouth. Unlike his own laser cameras,
the non-stop video journey of his driving is very hard to disprove.
In an operation by members of the public, the "safety camera" cheat,
was observed and recorded over a 4 mile journey repeatedly breaking the
law. He drove at 50mph in a 40 limit, 40mph in a 30 limit and 20 mph
in a 10 limit minutes after just catching numerous drivers himself for
speeding, as lay in the back of his small camera van at 8pm in
Sevenoaks, Kent.

The only way that film could have been taken was for the person following
the camera van to have been doing exactly the same speeds. I wonder if
they will be prosecuted by their own evidence?

Surely you are not suggestng that a police car following you at an excesive
speed could be prosecuted?

Whatever next!

I've seen police cars get flashed by gatsos, and I have asked if they were
prosecuted.

Alan

[SP]

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Ian

Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has
accused the member of the public who caught him of lying.
Unfortunatley for the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on
video film. He should have engaged brain before opening mouth.
Unlike his own laser cameras, the non-stop video journey of his
driving is very hard to disprove.
In an operation by members of the public, the "safety camera"
cheat, was observed and recorded over a 4 mile journey repeatedly
breaking the law. He drove at 50mph in a 40 limit, 40mph in a 30
limit and 20 mph in a 10 limit minutes after just catching
numerous drivers himself for speeding, as lay in the back of his
small camera van at 8pm in Sevenoaks, Kent.

The only way that film could have been taken was for the person
following the camera van to have been doing exactly the same
speeds. I wonder if they will be prosecuted by their own evidence?

Surely you are not suggestng that a police car following you at an
excesive speed could be prosecuted?
Whatever next!
I've seen police cars get flashed by gatsos, and I have asked if they
were prosecuted.

Any vehicle (Police/Fire/Ambulance) that is gatso-ed have to prove
that, on that occasion, they were responding to an emergency. [1] If
not, the driver does receive points on their licence.

[1] Obviously, in the case of the Police, they would need to provide
evidence that they had called through for other reasons when it comes
to following vehicles that are, as yet, un-reported.

[Beav]

Post by SP

Post by Alan Holmes

Post by Ian

Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has
accused the member of the public who caught him of lying.
Unfortunatley for the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on
video film. He should have engaged brain before opening mouth.
Unlike his own laser cameras, the non-stop video journey of his
driving is very hard to disprove.
In an operation by members of the public, the "safety camera"
cheat, was observed and recorded over a 4 mile journey repeatedly
breaking the law. He drove at 50mph in a 40 limit, 40mph in a 30
limit and 20 mph in a 10 limit minutes after just catching
numerous drivers himself for speeding, as lay in the back of his
small camera van at 8pm in Sevenoaks, Kent.

The only way that film could have been taken was for the person
following the camera van to have been doing exactly the same
speeds. I wonder if they will be prosecuted by their own evidence?

Surely you are not suggestng that a police car following you at an
excesive speed could be prosecuted?
Whatever next!
I've seen police cars get flashed by gatsos, and I have asked if they
were prosecuted.

Any vehicle (Police/Fire/Ambulance) that is gatso-ed have to prove
that, on that occasion, they were responding to an emergency. [1] If
not, the driver does receive points on their licence.

Tell that to the thousands of plod vewhicles photgraphed in Merseyside and
other parts of the country. Out of literally thousands, there were about 11
prosecutions.

Post by SP
[1] Obviously, in the case of the Police, they would need to provide
evidence that they had called through for other reasons when it comes
to following vehicles that are, as yet, un-reported.

They just get away with it.

[Conor]

In article <***@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
says...

Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has accused
the member of the public who caught him of lying. Unfortunatley for
the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on video film. He should
have engaged brain before opening mouth. Unlike his own laser cameras,
the non-stop video journey of his driving is very hard to disprove.
In an operation by members of the public, the "safety camera" cheat,
was observed and recorded over a 4 mile journey repeatedly breaking the
law. He drove at 50mph in a 40 limit, 40mph in a 30 limit and 20 mph
in a 10 limit minutes after just catching numerous drivers himself for
speeding, as lay in the back of his small camera van at 8pm in
Sevenoaks, Kent.
The secret group of angry motorists are turning the tables on the
camera men by filming them.

Heh-heh..I've recently taken up photographing illegally parked plod
cars and traffic wardens not ticketing illegally parked taxis which are
currently causing a real problem in Driffield.

Post by d***@aol.com
However, while the Kent & Medway driver will probably get away with his

She was jailed for perverting the course of justice, not for speeding.

[Beav]

Post by Conor
says...

Post by d***@aol.com
A Kent & Medway Speed Camera Van Man endangering the public has accused
the member of the public who caught him of lying. Unfortunatley for
the hypocrite misery maker, he was caught on video film. He should
have engaged brain before opening mouth. Unlike his own laser cameras,
the non-stop video journey of his driving is very hard to disprove.
In an operation by members of the public, the "safety camera" cheat,
was observed and recorded over a 4 mile journey repeatedly breaking the
law. He drove at 50mph in a 40 limit, 40mph in a 30 limit and 20 mph
in a 10 limit minutes after just catching numerous drivers himself for
speeding, as lay in the back of his small camera van at 8pm in
Sevenoaks, Kent.
The secret group of angry motorists are turning the tables on the
camera men by filming them.

Heh-heh..I've recently taken up photographing illegally parked plod
cars and traffic wardens not ticketing illegally parked taxis which are
currently causing a real problem in Driffield.

Post by d***@aol.com
However, while the Kent & Medway driver will probably get away with his

She was jailed for perverting the course of justice, not for speeding.

If she'd not opened her gob so quickly, she'd not have got done, so it was
speeding after all.

[Bill]

Post by Conor
Heh-heh..I've recently taken up photographing illegally parked plod
cars and traffic wardens not ticketing illegally parked taxis which are
currently causing a real problem in Driffield.

I was threatened by a warden a while back for suggesting I might take a
photo of him photographing the ticket he had just put on a car. He
thought I was contravening his civil rights or some such twaddle.

[YTC#1]

Post by Bill

Post by Conor
Heh-heh..I've recently taken up photographing illegally parked plod
cars and traffic wardens not ticketing illegally parked taxis which are
currently causing a real problem in Driffield.

I was threatened by a warden a while back for suggesting I might take a
photo of him photographing the ticket he had just put on a car. He
thought I was contravening his civil rights or some such twaddle.

You probably where, unlesss you made sure the picture did not contain his
face

[Brimstone]

Post by YTC#1

Post by Bill

Post by Conor
Heh-heh..I've recently taken up photographing illegally parked plod
cars and traffic wardens not ticketing illegally parked taxis which
are currently causing a real problem in Driffield.

I was threatened by a warden a while back for suggesting I might
take a photo of him photographing the ticket he had just put on a
car. He thought I was contravening his civil rights or some such
twaddle.

You probably where, unlesss you made sure the picture did not contain
his face

Nope, anyone can take anyone's photo.

[Beav]

Post by Brimstone

Post by YTC#1

Post by Bill

Post by Conor
Heh-heh..I've recently taken up photographing illegally parked plod
cars and traffic wardens not ticketing illegally parked taxis which
are currently causing a real problem in Driffield.

I was threatened by a warden a while back for suggesting I might
take a photo of him photographing the ticket he had just put on a
car. He thought I was contravening his civil rights or some such
twaddle.

You probably where, unlesss you made sure the picture did not contain
his face

Nope, anyone can take anyone's photo.

Even mine? There's some fucking nutters about.

[Brimstone]

Post by Beav

Post by Brimstone

Post by YTC#1

Post by Bill

Post by Conor
Heh-heh..I've recently taken up photographing illegally parked
plod cars and traffic wardens not ticketing illegally parked
taxis which are currently causing a real problem in Driffield.

I was threatened by a warden a while back for suggesting I might
take a photo of him photographing the ticket he had just put on a
car. He thought I was contravening his civil rights or some such
twaddle.

You probably where, unlesss you made sure the picture did not
contain his face

Nope, anyone can take anyone's photo.

Even mine? There's some fucking nutters about.

I was excluding any reason that they might have a cavalier attitde towards
their equipment.

[Malcolm]

Post by Brimstone

Post by YTC#1

Post by Bill

Post by Conor
Heh-heh..I've recently taken up photographing illegally parked plod
cars and traffic wardens not ticketing illegally parked taxis which
are currently causing a real problem in Driffield.

I was threatened by a warden a while back for suggesting I might
take a photo of him photographing the ticket he had just put on a
car. He thought I was contravening his civil rights or some such
twaddle.

You probably where, unlesss you made sure the picture did not contain
his face

Nope, anyone can take anyone's photo.

Not necessarily true. For example, you must not cause them "distress" by
your intrusion. And taking the photograph does not entitle you to use it
in ways which could cause them embarrassment or distress, unless, and
this is the tabloids defence, you can claim it was in the public
interest.

[Brimstone]

Post by Malcolm

Post by Brimstone

Post by YTC#1

Post by Bill

Post by Conor
Heh-heh..I've recently taken up photographing illegally parked
plod cars and traffic wardens not ticketing illegally parked
taxis which are currently causing a real problem in Driffield.

I was threatened by a warden a while back for suggesting I might
take a photo of him photographing the ticket he had just put on a
car. He thought I was contravening his civil rights or some such
twaddle.

You probably where, unlesss you made sure the picture did not
contain his face

Nope, anyone can take anyone's photo.

Not necessarily true. For example, you must not cause them "distress"
by your intrusion. And taking the photograph does not entitle you to
use it in ways which could cause them embarrassment or distress,
unless, and this is the tabloids defence, you can claim it was in the
public interest.

Whilst true, they are side issues to the legality of actually taking
someone's photo.

[Malcolm]

Post by Brimstone

Post by Malcolm

Post by Brimstone

Post by YTC#1

Post by Bill

Post by Conor
Heh-heh..I've recently taken up photographing illegally parked
plod cars and traffic wardens not ticketing illegally parked
taxis which are currently causing a real problem in Driffield.

I was threatened by a warden a while back for suggesting I might
take a photo of him photographing the ticket he had just put on a
car. He thought I was contravening his civil rights or some such
twaddle.

You probably where, unlesss you made sure the picture did not
contain his face

Nope, anyone can take anyone's photo.

Not necessarily true. For example, you must not cause them "distress"
by your intrusion. And taking the photograph does not entitle you to
use it in ways which could cause them embarrassment or distress,
unless, and this is the tabloids defence, you can claim it was in the
public interest.

Whilst true, they are side issues to the legality of actually taking
someone's photo.

If you ask if you can take someone's photograph and they say no, as in
the case of the traffic warden, and you then persist and take the photo
that could amount to harassment. Had the poster just taken the
photograph without asking permission, then I don't think the warden
would have had any comeback.

[Brimstone]

Post by Malcolm

Post by Brimstone

Post by Malcolm

Post by Brimstone

Post by YTC#1

Post by Bill

Post by Conor
Heh-heh..I've recently taken up photographing illegally parked
plod cars and traffic wardens not ticketing illegally parked
taxis which are currently causing a real problem in Driffield.

I was threatened by a warden a while back for suggesting I might
take a photo of him photographing the ticket he had just put on a
car. He thought I was contravening his civil rights or some such
twaddle.

You probably where, unlesss you made sure the picture did not
contain his face

Nope, anyone can take anyone's photo.

Not necessarily true. For example, you must not cause them
"distress" by your intrusion. And taking the photograph does not
entitle you to use it in ways which could cause them embarrassment
or distress, unless, and this is the tabloids defence, you can
claim it was in the public interest.

Whilst true, they are side issues to the legality of actually taking
someone's photo.

If you ask if you can take someone's photograph and they say no, as in
the case of the traffic warden, and you then persist and take the
photo that could amount to harassment. Had the poster just taken the
photograph without asking permission, then I don't think the warden
would have had any comeback.

Quite. That highlights quite nicely the danger of asking such a question.

[YTC#1]

Post by Malcolm

Post by Brimstone

Post by Malcolm

Post by Brimstone

Post by YTC#1

Post by Bill

Post by Conor
Heh-heh..I've recently taken up photographing illegally parked
plod cars and traffic wardens not ticketing illegally parked
taxis which are currently causing a real problem in Driffield.

I was threatened by a warden a while back for suggesting I might
take a photo of him photographing the ticket he had just put on a
car. He thought I was contravening his civil rights or some such
twaddle.

You probably where, unlesss you made sure the picture did not
contain his face

Nope, anyone can take anyone's photo.

Not necessarily true. For example, you must not cause them "distress"
by your intrusion. And taking the photograph does not entitle you to
use it in ways which could cause them embarrassment or distress,
unless, and this is the tabloids defence, you can claim it was in the
public interest.

Whilst true, they are side issues to the legality of actually taking
someone's photo.

If you ask if you can take someone's photograph and they say no, as in
the case of the traffic warden, and you then persist and take the photo
that could amount to harassment. Had the poster just taken the
photograph without asking permission, then I don't think the warden
would have had any comeback.

As the warden would most likely have been standing next to the OP, then he
probably verbally refused. Therefore the OP would have been wrong to take
the photo.

[YTC#1]

Post by Brimstone

Post by YTC#1

Post by Bill

Post by Conor
Heh-heh..I've recently taken up photographing illegally parked plod
cars and traffic wardens not ticketing illegally parked taxis which
are currently causing a real problem in Driffield.

I was threatened by a warden a while back for suggesting I might
take a photo of him photographing the ticket he had just put on a
car. He thought I was contravening his civil rights or some such
twaddle.

You probably where, unlesss you made sure the picture did not contain
his face

Nope, anyone can take anyone's photo.

And anyone can refuse to have their photgraph taken by someone.

And it is polite to ask, there may be religeous beliefs that cause them
not to want to have their image taken.